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Re: What's a Bower?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday, April 9 2008 01:31PM GMT-1 »
And wool (to make woolen cloth) is made from 'fleece' so I think we've collectively defined 'some sort of cloak with some sort of woolen lining' :-)

Ok...Next one...

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday, April 10 2008 02:34PM GMT-1 »
ok..next question...In child morris..the first verse.
its says something like 'red coat shined as weed'? (I haven''t got th lyrics to look up to hand) but they been always confused me..what does it mean?
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, April 10 2008 05:17PM GMT-1 »
1.   weeds, mourning garments: widow's weeds.
2.   a mourning band of black crepe or cloth, as worn on a man's hat or coat sleeve.

a.   a garment: clad in rustic weeds.
b.   clothing.

[Origin: bef. 900; ME wede, OE w?d, (ge)w?de garment, clothing; c. OS w?d, gew?di, OHG w?t, gew?ti clothing; cf. wadmal]

Thus "With red gold shined his weed" means his clothing shone with red gold trim or accoutrements. Red gold is a gold and copper alloy widely used for specialized jewellery due to its reddish colour.

I'll get me coat. It's the one with the red gold trim....

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« Reply #18 on: Thursday, April 10 2008 06:33PM GMT-1 »
don't forget your yellow handkerchief... you'll look very fetching  ;)

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Re: What's a Bower?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 11:44AM GMT-1 »
got another questions where is the 'kamchatka sea'? (I think I spelt it right.)
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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 11:53AM GMT-1 »
Now that's bizzarre! Last night I told Ethan I'd give him a pound if he could find it on a map! Kamchatka Bay is part of the Bering Sea - North East Russia. It's very small, look for the Kamchatka Peninsula and it's off the eastern coast. Next question? :laugh:
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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 12:04PM GMT-1 »
Oooh, she got there before me - I actually knew the answer to that off the top of my head! (it's all Michael Palin's fault :D).

Next question - what *is* that strange line about "Pegasus through the strait" in Across the Line? I'm sure that I did at one point actually look up the lyrics, and it didn't make sense then either!
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Re: What's a Bower?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 12:12PM GMT-1 »
If you have ever played risk that one would be an easy one too....

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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 12:44PM GMT-1 »
Could Pegasus have been another ship?
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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 01:14PM GMT-1 »
Aha! Just Looked on Wikipedia - Dusky Sound is a place in New Zealand, and there was a ship called The Pegasus. It looks as though it was a sealing ship, but one of the sailors also started the business of Maori head trade. :o I've forgotten his name already though!
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 01:24PM GMT-1 »
Aha, I knew Jon had doctored the words, but check this out - the original Kiwi folk song Across the Line: http://folksong.org.nz/acrosstheline/index.html

Last verse:

We've sailed away to Northward, we've hauled away to East,
We've skimmed our sail in the teeth of a gale and stood in the calmest seas.
We've set our course by a Southern Star, by Stewart through the Strait,
Westward round by Milford Sound, for that is the sailor's fate.

Pegasus in place of Stewart, it's one of the constellations, presumably for the sailors to navigate by. I'm happy now :)

Edit: Just read the notes as well - Stewart is an island, but my point still stands :D

And editing again - I can see why the words needed doctoring - "courted half-caste beauties" indeed   ::)
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 01:43PM GMT-1 »
There's also a Pegasus Bay in New Zealand. If you start off at Dusky Sound (South Island, SW), you'd sail through Foveaux Strait (between the South island and Stewart Island) and northwards to Pegasus Bay.
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Re: What's a Bower?
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 02:10PM GMT-1 »
you learn something new everyday :)

I like songs that teach you..or make you go look stuff up.
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Re: What's a Bower?
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 03:39PM GMT-1 »
Does anyone know the significance of green mantles specifically?  They seem to crop up more than other colour mantles, although I can't think of any mantles at all in S&B songs  :-[

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Re: What's a Bower?
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday, April 16 2008 05:42PM GMT-1 »
There's one in Child Morris, which is green. Well, a mantle is a cloak, and I think they're probably usually green because it was one of the easiest colours to dye fabrics.
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