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Offline Ollie

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Sourcing Traditional Material
« on: Wednesday, July 23 2008 06:13PM GMT-1 »
Where do you get your traditional material from? Next year, I'm hoping to go in for the Young Folk Musician of the Year competition, so I've started looking for some decent stuff that hasn't been done in recent years, but have drawn a blank. All the stuff I find just doesn't sound very good. Any help would be really appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, July 23 2008 06:27PM GMT-1 »
The Bodlean library in Oxford might be of some use. http//www.ouls.ox.ac.uk/libraries/subjects/music I only had a quick look, but if you have a proper rummage you might find something. Or get yourself to Cecil Sharpe House ;D
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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, July 23 2008 10:37PM GMT-1 »
There's a big collection of broadsides in Northampton Library.

I find the best thing to do is find something I like (don't have to like it all) and see how i can make it my own - twisting a bit of the tune here or there...making my own version of the text from a few different sources...that sort of thing.

Would have loved to have entered but am too old (how sad is that at 24?)  although I did get sent 14 flyers from mrs casey, so maybe they want me to bend the rules  ;)

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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, July 24 2008 01:51PM GMT-1 »
Well, a lot of S&B stuff seems to have come from a book called 'folk songs of the upper thames'. Also there is the Viking Book of Folk Ballads of the English Speaking World which has a lot in there.

In their new album, Faustus seem to have used a few books compiled by Frank Purslow of Bampton, 'Marrow bones' is one that has recently been re-released.

Here is a link to the website of a small shop in Witney, Oxfordshire, that supplies a range of books that might interest you. Roger, the guy who runs it knows his stuff!

http://www.witneyandwoodstock.org.uk/CGBnew/current%20cat.html


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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, July 24 2008 01:53PM GMT-1 »
There are also hundreds of uncommonly played tunes out there that could be put to the words you find. If you dont like a line, adjust it slightly, etc etc.

I would love to get involved with more song arrangements myself, however I have no time and cant sing at all well. (unless it's spotted pig at 2am!)

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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, July 24 2008 02:55PM GMT-1 »
Quote from: Joe
Well, a lot of S&B stuff seems to have come from a book called 'folk songs of the upper thames'.

Which, just to warn you, has words but no tunes :)

Joe - you mean I'm going to have to save up money for tune-book buying in November?
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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, July 24 2008 04:27PM GMT-1 »
In the catalogue I particularly like the sound of 'The Bawdy Beautiful, the Sphere book of improper verse'. Also 'Wit and Mirth or Pills to Purge Melancholy'. Although at £150 the latter one must be very witty. Or mirthful.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday, July 24 2008 05:07PM GMT-1 »
'Wit and Mirth or Pills to Purge Melancholy'. Although at £150 the latter one must be very witty. Or mirthful.

It features some absolutely filthy Burns Songs.  It's great!

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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, July 24 2008 05:15PM GMT-1 »
Must tell Abbie Lathe about that one - we've been planning to do a "Dirty Weekend" of bawdy songs for some time!
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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #9 on: Friday, July 25 2008 10:42PM GMT-1 »
Thanks for all the replies. I think a trip down to C Sharp House may be necessary (been wanting to go for ages - finally, an excuse!). I had a look though that catalogue too, some interesting stuff there. Today, I bought a book called 'Folk Songs of Britain. I saw it and thought "this is probably rubbish, but I'll have a look anyway". How wrong was I. Loads of great songs, one in particular that I like, called The Three Ravens. Haunting tune, haunting, mystical lyrics. I've already worked out an arrangement!  :D
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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #10 on: Saturday, August 16 2008 08:48PM GMT-1 »
Shrewsbury Folk Festival has a free tune book of traditional tunes for the workshops.... As it's free I thought it was worth mentioning

http://www.shrewsburyfolkfestival.co.uk/tunebook/index.shtml

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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #11 on: Sunday, January 4 2009 02:53PM GMT-1 »
Matt Seattle has re-released the William Vickers manuscript - The Great Northern Tune Book.

I suspect S&B got the Cheshire Waltz from The Lincolnshire Collection

Also worth a look is William Winter's Quantocks Tune Book

All of these have a wealth of material to explore.

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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #12 on: Monday, January 5 2009 12:28PM GMT-1 »
hello tallship.... :aemo_spibod_wave: I recognise you from concertina.net. :)
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Re: Sourcing Traditional Material
« Reply #13 on: Monday, January 5 2009 09:24PM GMT-1 »
hello tallship.... :aemo_spibod_wave: I recognise you from concertina.net. :)

Sussed!  :o

'Ello LDT, here's a little New Year challenge for you....   :aemo_squeeze:

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B:The Lincolnshire Collection
Q:100
M:3/8
L:1/16
Z:Peter Dunk 5 April 2008
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Have fun ...  ;D