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Andy B

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Beggar Boy
« on: Monday, October 20 2008 08:54PM GMT-1 »
Just wondering about the instrumental Beggar Boy on the Vagabond album. I got me a sexy red vnyl copy which didn't have any explanation on the origins of the tracks (did the CD? I don't know!). Anyway, i love me the Beggar Boy track, but it seems to be made of 2 or 3 seperate tunes. Anyone know if that is definite case, and what the actual tunes are, in particular the final section.

Or is it all Beggar Boy and variations thereof?

Am i just being stupid?!!

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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #1 on: Monday, October 20 2008 10:21PM GMT-1 »
My CD track listing says it's The Beggar Boy of the North/Mrs Casey/Up the Sides and Down the Middle (rather memorably, one of them suggested we dance to the latter at Nettlebed, where there is no aisle...could have interesting if anyone had taken them up on the offer!)

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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, October 22 2008 12:45PM GMT-1 »
I'm really annoyed that I've lost the notes for the vagabond album we had - my Dad bought it and when I first got to listen to it the notes were missing. It's interesting to find out where all the songs are from but annoying when you lose the notes because they are nowhere on the internet... :(

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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday, October 22 2008 08:20PM GMT-1 »
My CD track listing says it's The Beggar Boy of the North/Mrs Casey/Up the Sides and Down the Middle (rather memorably, one of them suggested we dance to the latter at Nettlebed, where there is no aisle...could have interesting if anyone had taken them up on the offer!)

Oh, and hello and welcome! :)

Thanks for the info and the welcome!!

I guess this is the downside of buying the vinyl, you don't get the title info appear magically.

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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, April 21 2010 02:54PM GMT-1 »
My CD track listing says it's The Beggar Boy of the North/Mrs Casey/Up the Sides and Down the Middle
oh that explains a lot....I was listening to the track 'Old Mother Casey' on Hammers, Tongues And A Bakewell Tart and thought 'that sounds familiar. lol!'


searched for beggar boy and found this
http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/book/playford/playford_bath_exxhf/0009
is this the right version? What key should it be in?
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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, April 21 2010 04:10PM GMT-1 »
I'm pretty sure (though by no means absolutely certain) that they play it in C...or possibly D (fully prepared to be told here that I'm completely wrong...!). Either way, not in Gm, which that version is! But yes, it's the right tune :) I've got the dots for it somewhere, but can't play it...let me see if I can dig them out...

Edit: Aha, tallship posted the ABC down in Mischief - that was my source! Here they are again:

X:61
T:the Beggar Boy of the North
A:North-West
M:6/8
O:England
R:Slow Air
Z:Richard Robinson <URL:http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/contact.html>
K:C
E>FE c2c| B>AG A2G| EC2 D2D| E2F GE2| \
E>FE c2c| B>AG A2G| EC2 D2D| E2F GE2|
E>FE c2c| BG2  A2G| EG2 B>AB| c2E D3| \
EG2 B>AG| Acd/c/ B>cA| GEC D2D| E2F G2E|]


X: 1
T: Up the Sides and Down the Middle
R: jig
Z: 2006 John Chambers
S: copy of printed page with the notation:
N: Tune colected by Miss Marjorie Mayne & Peter Kennedy in 1950
N: from Bert Pidgeon (Melodeon) and Alfie Tuck (Tambourine) of
N: Bridport[sic].  Transcribed by Pat Shaw.
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: D
cB \
| "D"ABA ABA | "G"dcB "D"ABA | "Bm"dcd "A7"efe | "D"fed "G"B3 \
| "D"A2d "G"dcB | "D"ABA ABA | "Bm"dcd "A7"efg | "D"fdd    d :|
M: 4/4
|: zf \
| "D"a2f2 d3c | "G"c2B2 B3c | "Em"g2e2 "A7"c3B  | "D"B2A2 "A7"A3f \
| "D"a2f2 d3d | "G"c2B2 B3e | "Em"g2e2 "A7"c2B2 | "D"c2d2     d2 :|

I might have a go at the latter tonight, since I finally have some free time ;D

It's weird how it creeps into your brain isn't it - this year at morris we (partially) learned the Moulton (I think) Mrs Casey, and I spent ages thinking 'this tune sounds really familiar...'. Same with Banks of the Dee  ::)
« Last Edit: Wednesday, April 21 2010 04:18PM GMT-1 by firebird »
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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, April 21 2010 04:24PM GMT-1 »
I'm pretty sure (though by no means absolutely certain) that they play it in C...or possibly D (fully prepared to be told here that I'm completely wrong...!). Either way, not in Gm, which that version is! But yes, it's the right tune :) I've got the dots for it somewhere, but can't play it...let me see if I can dig them out...

Edit: Aha, tallship posted the ABC down in Mischief - that was my source! Here they are again:


I might have a go at the latter tonight, since I finally have some free time ;D

It's weird how it creeps into your brain isn't it - this year at morris we (partially) learned the Moulton (I think) Mrs Casey, and I spent ages thinking 'this tune sounds really familiar...'. Same with Banks of the Dee  ::)
oooh thank you. Its been really earworming me all day....just got to play it to stop it going round n round in my head. lol!
I see first on is in C....another one to play on the one row four stop.
I'm getting rather addicted to paying in C now. ;)
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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, April 21 2010 04:27PM GMT-1 »
It would sound nice on the concertina... ;)
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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, April 22 2010 10:57AM GMT-1 »
It would sound nice on the concertina... ;)
tried it last night...you're right.
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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, April 22 2010 01:16PM GMT-1 »
Quote from: ladydetemps
...you're right.

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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #10 on: Friday, April 23 2010 12:01PM GMT-1 »
Quote from: ladydetemps
...you're right.

 ;D
struggling a bit with the rythum for up the sides and down the middle, particually in B part.

has anyone got the abc for mrs casey?
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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #11 on: Friday, April 23 2010 09:59PM GMT-1 »
Quote from: ladydetemps
...you're right.

 ;D
struggling a bit with the rythum for up the sides and down the middle, particually in B part.

has anyone got the abc for mrs casey?

That's because that isn't the version S&B play. In their version, the B part is in 6/8. I'm trying to find it online, but I can't (gah, folk tune finder is down!!). I've got the dots somewhere, if anyone wants them.
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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #12 on: Saturday, April 24 2010 07:49AM GMT-1 »
Yeah - there are loads of versions of Up the sides and down the middle all of them completely different - I think that's because it's not a real tune name, but the name of the dance you did to it.  Anyway - I got our one from Dave Townsend's English Country Dance Music Volume 1 which is still gettable.

Then there's Down the sides and up the middle which is another completely different tune (but a great one).

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Re: Beggar Boy
« Reply #13 on: Saturday, April 24 2010 03:52PM GMT-1 »
has anyone got the abc for mrs casey?

A couple of different files here, I don't know the tune and haven't even listened to the midis from these, hope it helps.

X: 1
T:Mrs Casey
M:6/8
L:1/8
O:Duns Tew
P:A(AB2)4A
K:D
P:A
f2e | d2B BcB | A2F A2A | BcA B2c | f3 f2e|
      d2B BcB | A2F A3  | Bcd e2c | d3   |]
P:B
A3 | d2e f2g | a2b a2A | d2e f2g | a3-a3  |
     b2g a2f | g2f e2d | d2c B2A | g3 efe |
     d2B BcB | A2F A3  | Bcd e2c | d3    |]


X: 1
T:Mrs Casey, Ascott
M:6/8
L:1/8
A:Ascott
P:A(AB)4A
K:G
P:A
D|B2A G2E|EGE D2D|EFG A2B|c3 B2A|
G2E EGE|D2E D2D|EFG A2B|G3 G2 ||
P:B
|:G|G2A B2c|ded d3 |G2A B2c|d3 B2d|
e2d d2B|c2c B3 |ABA A2B|c3 B2A|
B2A G2E|EGE D2D|EFG A2B|G3 G2:|